Dopo aver dimostrato che in Francia se non si ha sufficiente navigazione  basta un  corso di 5 giorni  a terra , vedi   precedente articolo di questo blog  23/10/16 .

In italia con 11 mesi e 29 giorni perdi il  tuo CoC.

Ci samo domandati ed abbiamo chiesto al piu’ importante centro di formazione in UK come si regolano con il cosiddetto corso direttivo,  ovvero le famose competenze manageriali previste dalla tav A-II/1  cosi’ come previste dalla convenzione STCW 95 e successive modifiche.

Quando ho raccontato che in Italia adesso si chiede di tornare a scuola a tutti coloro gia’ in possesso di un CoC a livello direttivo , il mio interlocutore mi ha  chiesto se avevo bevuto  e se fossi completamente cretino.

Vi allego  la risposta del Warsash Nautical Institute ,  e  vi prego di notare la parte in cui parla di  ”Grandfathering”  pensate un po’ nemmeno il corso di Leadership e’ necessario  per chi  ha gia’ un  CoC direttivo a meno che non debba prendere il CoC successivo  ( da first Mate a Master ) . Del corso direttivo non  sanno  nemmeno cosa sia  !!  Ed il loro Nautical College dura solo 3 anni di cui la meta’ e’ a bordo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Consiglio vivamente agli allievi della Istituto Nautico di trasferiresti in uK almeno hanno un  CoC  garantito da una amministrazione che lavora per il Sea farer e perdono molto meno tempo  e magari imparano anche l’inglese bene.

Deve quindi essere ben chiaro che esistono strada diverse percorribili e se siamo ridotti a piegarci a 90 gradi e dare il posteriore all’EMSA non e’ per colpa dei marittimi ignoranti ed impreparati ma di chi da venti anni a questa parte ha fatto il bello ed il brutto tempo.

 

Dear Dario,

It was good to talk to you on the phone this morning.

As promised, here a bit more information.

Under the UK system (as approved by the MNTB and MCA) there are fundamentally two different routes to obtain Certificates of Competency in accordance with STCW Reg II/1 (OOW) and STCW Reg II/2 (Chief Mate/Master):

Route 1: Cadetship
3 year programme approved by the Merchant Navy Training Board (MNTB), designed to train a new entrant to become a certified officer.

The approved Deck Foundation Degree programme covers a three year period with five phases. Candidates complete a mix of practical courses and academic study at the academy, including two phases of sea service as per the MCA and MNTB guidelines and regulations (total 12-14 months sea service). In the fifth phase candidates consolidate work-based learning, prepare for orals and complete final assessments prior to the award of Foundation Degree (FdSc) in Marine Operations. Finally, the successful completion of the MCA oral examination leads to the award of STCW II/1 Officer of the Watch (Unlimited) Certificate of Competency.

As all underpinning knowledge is obtained during the cadetship, candidates will be able to progress from OOW unlimited to STCW II/2 Chief Mate Unlimited without any further academic studies required (other than a few short courses). In addition, they will also gain a FdSc in Marine Operations, and have the option to top-up to a Bachelor of Science (BSc) Honours Degree.

Route 2: Examination Route for Experienced Seafarers
This route is designed for these who have already spent several years at sea and now want to progress to become a certified officer.

The pre-requisite is a minimum of 36 months sea service. Candidates study for 2 terms (approximately 27 weeks) at college and obtain a Higher National Certificate (HNC) in Nautical Science and a STCW II/1 Officer of the Watch (Unlimited) Certificate of Competency. After another 12 months sea service they return to college to study for 3 terms (approximately 40 weeks) to obtain their Higher National Diploma (HND) in Nautical Science and a STCW II/2 Chief Mate Unlimited.

I have attached schematics of both routes. There are similar options in place for engineers.

Grandfathering
The MCA’s position is that if someone already holds a CoC before changes to the legislation have come in, they will be ‘grandfathered in’, i.e. their CoC will continue to be valid without any further training. Someone who already holds an OOW would for example not have to do HELM(O), and someone who already holds a Master CoC would not have to do HELM(M). However if an OOW wants to progress to become Master, then he/she would have to do HELM(M). The only exception is the new requirement for STCW Updating Training (Fire Fighting and Sea Survival, every five years) and ECDIS, which all officers have to complete when the 2010 Manila Amendments to the STCW Code come into force.

I hope the above helps, Dario, please do not hesitate to get back to me if I can be of any further assistance.

Kind regards,

Lars

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